Wednesday, April 27, 2005

Gain 3 inches in 3 weeks!!!!

Sign me up, take my money, where's my pill? The fantasy many men have, who are searching for a larger penis, is just that, a fantasy. Like a good fiction novel it reads "I added 3 inches to my penis and all I had to do was take a pill", unfortunately these kind of stories will always be fiction. The fact of the matter is penis enlargement is very real, very possible and thousands of dedicated men, myself included, are making our penises longer and thicker everyday. My name is Mike Salvini (aka doublelongdaddy) and I added 4 inches to my penis.

Like many people I saw the spam, magazine endorsements, television spots and the myriad array of other advertisements promoting penis enlargement but in the same way most people react I thought it was impossible. So many men follow these promotions and buy these products only to be realize they didn't work. Losing their money is usually secondary to the disappointment they feel that their efforts were fruitless. This vicious cycle has cast a shadow on natural penis enlargement (NPE) as a whole. Sadly, many men will never find NPE due to the bad taste pill companies and the like have left in their mouths. It was not until recently that NPE left it's mark in the national media with a credible article by former GQ magazine writer, Peter Ruben called: Size Matters. This article took a serious, no nonsense look at natural penis enlargement and brought this largely unknown craft into the eyes of the general internet population.

What is Natural Penis Enlargement? If you try to look it up in Webster's you will be doing it in vain. In it's most simple definition, NPE is the use of exercises (stretches, squeezes among 100's of other practices) to lengthen and thicken the penis (see Not too many people know about this form of NPE exercise, largely because it is becomes pushed to the back of the search engines in favor of the wealthy pill companies. Many men will never know that they can enlarge their penis because they will never stumble upon it. For the lucky few a proverbial "fountain of penis" is realized and for minimal or no cost they are adding real inches of penis. Thanks to NPE I have almost earned my screen name, doublelongdaddy, starting with a 6.5 inch penis I now have 11".

One fallacy I often hear online is that natural penis enlargement will negatively effect erection quality, erection angle, straightness or other similar complications. This is a total misconception as NPE not only made my penis longer and thicker but it also improved the quality of my erections, improved my erection angle and gave me unlimited staying power during sex. As a matter of fact I have worked with many men who started NPE with a severe curve in their erection and with specialized exercise they soon realized a straighter penis, something not even possible with surgery!

It is really not that hard to grasp the mechanics of NPE (natural penis enlargement) but accepting it is another story. Humans have been enlarging parts of their bodies for centuries from the tribal lip and neck enlargement to the more recent ear lobe modification to accommodate larger jewelry. This is all easily accepted for the most part because it is visible, unmistakably evident and we see it everyday. The penis is another story for one simple reason, because it is a penis. The penis evokes insecurities, myths and envy. When the topic of penis is brought up most feel "dirty" talking about it and it becomes a resolution most silently suffer with. From the day I realized NPE worked it has been my personal quest to bring it to the public, let the world know, you do not have to suffer with a lack of size, just like improving every other body part, you can do the same with your penis. Through my 4 year, penile journey I have worked with hundreds of thousands of men and watched them take themselves to new lengths which ultimately changed their entire lives.

So what about the medical community? If you ask your family doctor or try to get advice on the vast sexuality sites I am sure you will get a giggle and a comment similar to, "The only way to increase the length/girth of your penis is through surgery." I can only say that ignorance is contagious. One only need to spend a few minutes on my forum reading the boundless testimonies to NPE to realize their just might be something to this. Accepting the views of a misinformed media and not educating yourself on the topic could be the only thing holding you back from realizing your full penis potential.

My story of enlargement has been an incredible one. Only using my hands and physical exercises I have close to doubled the size of my penis. During my time involved with NPE I have helped many guys do the same and it soon became my life's work. Today I work full time developing exercises, writing routines, answering inquiries, spreading public awareness about NPE and of course continuing my quest to add more size to my penis. I have ran my own penis enlargement forum and site for the past two years and just recently created the world first natural penis enlargement DVD. Working in the DVD medium, opposed to the web, enabled me to put together a program that is completely interactive, highly comprehensive and in complete high definition. I am hoping that bringing NPE away from peoples computers and into their living room will reach many men who otherwise would never know it existed. My ultimate dream is to make penis enlargement as acceptable and respectable as breast enlargement. Many men need this, and I feel it is my duty to bring it to them. Accepting your penis size is no longer necessary, natural penis enlargement is a reality and the world need to know.

Tuesday, April 12, 2005

SIZE MATTERS: Salon Magazine Article on Penis Enlargement

Size matters
Mike Salvini is an evangelist for natural penis enlargement, a weird and scientifically unproven way of upsizing the male member. And thousands of men are going to great lengths to follow him.
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By Peter Rubin

March 24, 2005 *|* At 6:30 each morning, Mike Salvini wakes up and pads downstairs to check his e-mail. That's always how he starts his day, because someone out there might need help. Could be this someone hadn't warmed up sufficiently, or had pulled too hard or bent himself at a strange angle, but now something's wrong. And no man likes to have pain shooting up the shaft of his penis. So Mike tries to answer questions as often as he can, to reassure, to coax, to motivate. And then he goes into the bathroom, eases himself onto the toilet, places a length of industrial plastic pipe across his thighs, pulls his penis up and over the pipe and slooooowly cranks it forward, like a winch.

With each millimeter, he can feel the skin stretch, masking the slow seismic drift of internal tissue. Another tug. Now hold. One, two ... He wrestles the monster for 60 long seconds before releasing the tension. This is the tunica traction stretch, the first exercise of Mike's day: Eighteen hours and three workouts later, he will fall into bed, a fraction closer to his ultimate goal. He once had a healthy 6-and-a-half-inch erection; now he sports a 10-and-a-half-inch heart-stopper. Stretching himself along a ruler, he damn near exhausts its hash marks.

To most people, Mike Salvini might appear to be, well, a freak. Besides the fact that he's a recovering obsessive-compulsive heroin addict with agoraphobia, who in their right mind stretches his penis over a length of plastic pipe? But Mike Salvini is a hero and an inspiration to thousands of men who dream of building their own fearsome endowments -- not because of how big he is, but because of how far he's come. He's not Mike Salvini to them, though; he's Double Long Daddy, guru of natural penis enlargement. And before he calls it quits, he wants to have the largest dick in the world.

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Men today can pump up their traps and glutes, their pecs and abs. They can strip almost every ounce of body fat, train the fast-twitch muscle fibers in their calves. But society's approval of male body transformation stops at changing the size of your penis. From the very first sex-ed filmstrip in grade school to the advanced biology curriculum in grad school, men are told to be happy with what they're born with. Sixty-five years ago Alfred Kinsey decreed that phallic dimensions between five and seven inches were within the great continuum known as "average," and since then those measurements have confined our lives. Only recently have men like Mike Salvini dared to turn their backs on "average," let alone talk freely about it.

In fact, thousands of men across America are obsessed with getting bigger penises. They describe themselves as being part of the natural penis enlargement "community" -- "P.E." to its practitioners -- and they are spread across various forums and chat rooms, places with names like Thunder's Place, Big Al's and Mike Salvini's Matters of Size: P.E. forums are fraternities, worlds of experimentation and encouragement, where men with online monikers like "Dino9x7" and "Soon2b9" will go to any length to get to any length.

Well, almost. They're rational men, after all. And those ads in the back of the magazines? Those late-night Enzyte TV spots that helped their parent company generate projected sales of $240 million last year? Hokum, says the Center for Science in the Public Interest. You simply cannot make your penis larger by taking a supplement (Enzyte parent company Berkeley Premiere Nutraceuticals knows that too, taking such claims off their ads. Nor can you reliably do so through surgical means, says Dr. Gary J. Alter, a plastic surgeon based in Beverly Hills, Calif. Not unless you want what he describes as "penile distortion, fat nodules and lumps, and irregularity."

P.E. practitioners know all this, which is why they call what they do "natural" penis enlargement: no pills, no surgery, no snake oil. There might be a gray-market cottage industry riding the coattails of Cialis and Levitra, but P.E.ers want no part of it. In fact, many see these spam-fueled businesses as a stumbling block to their legitimate form of enlargement. "My biggest problem is dealing with all the other bullshit out there," says Salvini. "Having people see a clear line between what I'm doing, and pills and patches and all the other bullshit. We get tossed into that same pile, because people aren't educated enough to see that there's a difference."

Still, the P.E. movement has absolutely zero legitimacy in the eyes of science. No one in the American medical community has yet deigned to study P.E.; speaking softly and carrying a bigger stick is still folly. "The penis is a beautifully designed anatomical marvel that has evolved through millions of years," says Dr. J. Francois Eid, director of the Advanced Urological Care Center in New York. "It's immature, arrogant even, to think that we can do better." Making one's penis bigger through exercise, he says, is akin to making one's nose bigger through exercise -- and about as likely to happen.

The urologists at Boston University's Institute for Sexual Medicine refused even to comment on P.E. for this story. According to a spokesperson, "the topic is not to their liking." Dr. Ira Sharlip of the American Urological Association was willing to consider the possibilities. "Nobody knows the answer" to whether or not natural exercises could increase one's penis size, he said, "but I'd imagine that up to some reasonable limit the spongy tissue" -- more on this later -- "could expand." Even the most grudging concessions, though, come with a stern caveat: "I don't think you can conclude that [P.E. is] medically sound," Sharlip said, "just because there are numerous anecdotal experiences with it."

"There's something about P.E. that doesn't make sense," Mike readily admits. "How can you take a penis and make it bigger?" But he and the rest of the P.E. practitioners are convinced you can. Anecdotal experiences are what they rely on, how they keep each other going. While they'd love to see their beliefs validated, most P.E.ers are perfectly content to keep flying under the radar. If everyone catches on, averages will rise, and they won't be so special anymore. Still, they're tired of being dismissed by skeptics, of being lumped in with the creams and magical elixirs. "Let them believe what they want," wrote "Sundown" on Matters of Size, "those with faith and effort are reeking [sic] the benefits." A named "Supra" responded, "let me pull down my pants on CNN and lets [sic] see what they say about PE."

Anger aside, some of P.E.'s other advocates are hardly whom you'd expect. Bib -- or "Bigger Is Better" -- is a 48-year-old Texas real estate salesman who agreed to be interviewed only if his real name wasn't used. Bib loves his wife and kids. And thanks to a routine that involves hanging 45 pounds of weight from his member for up to seven hours at a time -- working from home grants him the necessary privacy and time -- he boasts a 10-and-a-half-inch erection. "This has completely changed my life," he says, "on many, many different fronts." Bib was a virgin when he married because he was afraid to let any woman see his 1-inch flaccid penis. Not long ago, he found himself standing in front of a seating section at a basketball game, scanning the crowd for his wife. As his eyes flicked across the many female faces, he was certain they were all staring at his crotch. His wife doesn't believe him, but Bib knows what he saw. Now, he can't wear sweat pants in public anymore. "It's pretty neat to have to worry about the bulge when you go out," he says.

The penis might be designed to reach for the sky, but anatomically speaking, it is not built to grow. It's not a muscle, but a series of chambers and veins bound by a fibrous sheath -- a marvelous tool, supremely adaptable to changes of heart and climate. It lives in a state of constant flux, responding with ease to the onrushing variables of circulation, comfort and libido.

When a healthy man becomes aroused, two spongy chambers known as corpora cavernosa expand with the flow of blood and press against a smooth-muscle sheath, the tunica albuginea. This is the determinant of penile girth. In P.E. theory, forcing blood into the corpora cavernosa will extend the tunica's capacity over time and ultimately enlarge the penis. So the old-school cornerstone of P.E. is an exercise known as jelqing: gripping the base of the partially erect penis with the thumb and forefinger in a tight OK sign, and pulling upward to the head. Milking yourself, in a sense. In conjunction with various stretching exercises that target the ligaments of the penis and the tunica, jelqing and its many variants form the foundation of a P.E. routine. (A typical beginning P.E. routine, as dictated by Mike Salvini, might include 300 jelqs a day.) According to "Luvdadus," a Southern physician and active, such exercises take advantage of the regenerative properties of ligaments, muscles and tendons. "For there to be permanent lengthening," he says, "there has to be some breakage in the covalent bonds of the collagen." This takes a great deal of time; some men report gains in as little as a month, some slave over their penises for a year or more without seeing any significant progress.

The first rudimentary training routines started circulating on the Internet in the mid-'90s, and as more and more men have become part of the conversation and taken up training, more and more exercises are added to the canon. Like theories and comets, they are often named after their discoverers. So a looking to add extra girth might work in a set of Uli Squeezes or Horse440 Squeezes, an exercise in which you tourniquet the base of a partially erect penis with one hand, then slide the other hand in an OK grip down from the head. This is done, like any resistance training, in sets of 10 reps. (Due warning: Putting your one and only through the paces can leave you with thrombosed veins and strained ligaments. To avoid the trip to Genital Hospital, P.E. proponents recommend applying heat to your penis for five full minutes before every workout.) The result is perhaps best articulated by "WillB7" of Thunder's Place who tested the exercise soon after "Horse440" unveiled it. "Holy shit!" he wrote. "Tried these horse squeezes last night and my shaft expanded tremendously; it looked like [a] Boa Constrictor after swallowing an elephant." While some message board users are prone to hyperbole, many of them post pictures to back up their claims.

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For men to seek such physical extremity is nothing new; a look in any weight room will find a handful of specimens who have transformed themselves into sleek V-shaped gladiators. But even weight lifting was dismissed once as the crazy pursuit of 98-pound weaklings. It needed a champion -- a Jack LaLanne, a Charles Atlas, a Joe Weider -- to codify it, package it, take it mainstream. Mike Salvini wants to be that man for P.E. "I feel like the world should know about it," he says. "It should be a clean, out-of-the-back-alley business." And while spreading the P.E. gospel to a skeptical world is a tremendous challenge for almost anyone, imagine how much harder it is for someone who can't always find the courage to leave the house.

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There's a boyishness lurking in Mike Salvini's face, thanks in large part to eyelashes so long and curled that they almost touch his cheeks when he opens his eyes wide. He sits on his couch in a sleeveless T-shirt and basketball shorts, his slender legs crossed at the knee; their delicateness is all the more surprising in contrast to a beefy torso. Tattoos on both shoulders speak to his wild past as a drunken, howling frontman for a hardcore metal band; he shows you videotapes of an old performance, and you notice a frenzy in his eyes. He was a solidly built man then, in his 20s, and now, at 36, the extra weight he carries in his neck and belly is as much due to the medication he takes (the antidepressant Seroquel) as to the sedentary life of an agoraphobic. His dark brown hair is slicked back into a ponytail. As he explained once in a forum discussion, he keeps it that way because he likes it long, but thanks to the obsessive-compulsive disorder he hates knowing that it's there; the ponytail keeps it off his face and out of his head.

And lord knows there's plenty in his head. When he was 16, Double Long Daddy was a middle-school dropout with a drinking problem. (He left school after the eighth grade because he learned the administrators at his Catholic school had withheld his above-average IQ scores, leaving him to feel like a remedial outcast.) Also, he could not stop changing his clothes. He weighed 105 pounds and so hated his body that he tried to conceal it beneath layer upon layer of fabric. For hours at a time, he'd lock himself in the bathroom, adjusting, tweaking, stripping down and starting over. He had lived this way for years, washing his hands, counting things, dressing for a winter hike even when it was 90 degrees outside.

Obsessive-compulsive disorder is a tricky beast. You do your best to keep it in check, but the demons keep right on coming, and sometimes alcohol and drugs are the only way to muzzle their insistent whisper. So Mike got high, and he finally stopped -- stopped counting, stopped washing, stopped spending hours in the bathroom. For the next 15 years, he bounced between rehab and relapses, empty bottles and car crashes, painkillers and heroin. He finally cleaned himself up, only to revisit the demons. Lying in bed at night, he'd think of the cable TV remote, 8 and three-quarters inches long. Wait ... no it's not. It might be 7. And though he had measured every item in the house, he'd go downstairs to find the remote and set himself at ease.

Medication (the prescribed kind) helped, but it also killed his hard-on. So Mike was intrigued when he found a Web site that offered to strengthen his erection -- intrigued enough to start jelqing, hundreds of times a day. "After about a month," he says, "I started noticing changes." One day at work he went to the bathroom; when he sat down on the toilet, his penis hit the porcelain of the bowl. He went home and got out the ruler -- he'd gained half an inch. And when he looked at the underside of his penis, he saw a stretch mark that was exactly a half-inch long. It's become his own version of a tree trunk's rings, a personal growth chart that keeps his faith.

Today Mike spends 18 hours a day spreading the gospel of P.E. "I'm submerged in penis," he says with a laugh. "It's my full-time job." He's filmed a DVD of his self-designed exercises -- "Matters of Size: The Ultimate Guide to Penis Enlargement" -- that will be distributed in a few weeks by Vivid Entertainment. His Web site Matters of Size has 40,000 registered users and offers paying members videos, diagrams and one-on-one tutelage over private message and e-mail -- along with softcore pinup shots of his girlfriend Jen, a teacher and former dancer he met in rehab four years ago. (Jen and Mike also stage neo-Vargas photo shoots in their living room. When I visited their home in Western Massachusetts last summer, it was just after noon on a Sunday; Jen was wearing Mary Janes, white knee-high fishnet stockings, a schoolgirl blouse and braided pigtails.)

Mike currently practices P.E. for six hours every day and he's on what he calls his Phase Five Routine, which boasts seven monstrous-sounding exercises like "Slow Squash Jelqs" and "Isolated Compression Squeezes." As big as he's gotten, he refuses to stand up with an erection. When I ask him why, he just laughs: "Oh, I'm quirky. You don't want to go into that part of my mind."

Despite his lack of formal education, a rogue intellect has driven Mike to undertake a number of informal studies on such P.E.-related subjects as penile misrepresentation in pornography and body dysmorphic disorder, an anorexia-like condition that plagues a person with a skewed sense of his or her own appearance. Mike, not surprisingly, suffers from BDD. Occasionally he will reach for a ruler to measure his gains, and end up double- and triple-checking for an hour because he thinks he calibrated incorrectly. At one point, he was measuring himself so often that the chafing edge of the ruler severed his frenulum, the piece of skin that connects the head to the shaft.

Mike dubbed himself Double Long Daddy for a purely literal reason: His flaccid penis is twice what it used to be. After seeing a picture of it online, the porn legend Ron Jeremy e-mailed him to see if he was interested in doing adult films. (He was not.) When I see Mike on his couch, legs crossed in such a confining way, I find it hard to believe he can sit down without causing himself immeasurable discomfort. He keeps his penis tucked between his legs and under a buttock. When he stands and bends to pick something up, I can glimpse it poking at the nylon of his shorts.

"Whenever we're out, women always stare at it," says Jen, with something approaching pride in her voice. Clearly, she is pleased with Mike's penis. She uses the word "cock" a lot. And "dick." And "veins." Mike uses those words, too, but he also rattles off clinical terms: suspensory ligament, frenulum, meatus. This is the lingua franca of the movement.

Indeed, to browse through the various P.E. forums is to enter a rudimentary anatomy course. It's also to listen in on a motivational seminar. Men open up to each other about the shame they've felt at the urinal, of deflating sexual encounters, of the fear that consumes them every time they expose themselves to ridicule. They confess to a desire to reshape their lives. "I would have imagined that a lot of the men on these forums would be smallish guys who maybe have an axe to grind with women," says "Luvdadus," "but that's not the case. There's a lot of support." The support doesn't extend into the real world, however; like so many communities that flourish online, P.E. thrives in part because of its anonymity.

These are men who think a great deal about their penises; like Mike, they are submerged. But what concerns Dr. Sharlip is why men feel the need to raise the bar in the first place. Of those who come to him for advice, he says, "the very great majority -- 99 percent -- have normal penile size. It's a psychological problem more than a physical one."

Mike denies that his obsessions with enlarging his penis stem from some primordial trauma. "It wasn't a huge emotional drama I was trying to settle," Mike says. "What guy's not going to want to go out and make his dick bigger?"

Bigger in his case means 13.6 inches BPEL (bone-pressed erect length) -- measured along the top from the pubic bone to the fully loaded tip. Properly documented, this would be the largest erect penis in the world. To record the moment, Mike would need a new ruler. "Now that's an anxiety attack," he says. "A 15-inch ruler. I don't want that in my bathroom." It would, rather than validate his size, taunt him with the other inch and a half.

As man after man boasts online of a double-digit P.E. goal, the question presents itself: How much is too much? Veterans are quick to point out that you have to know when to stop. After all, you can't take off a half-inch if the woman you're with can't ... accommodate you. Bib's gains, for example, took some acclimation. "At first I did not know how to use the thing," he says with a dry laugh. "It can be absolutely great, but you do have to point it in the right direction."

Chances are Double Long Daddy will never run out of pupils. He continues to mentor dozens of men who write to him seeking help, as well as the paying members of Matters of Size. (The site does not yet make money, but Mike expects that sales from the DVD will change that. For now, he lives off savings and Jen's salary.) For free, he will design a routine for the one-armed guy with a 4-inch penis, and one for the 68-year-old man with Peyronie's Disease, a condition that causes a severely bent phallus. A man once e-mailed him from Japan wanting to come live under his roof for a week of personal coaching; Mike said no, but continues to mentor the man in one-on-one video messaging. He might not need that 15-inch ruler yet, but he has no doubt that someday he will. For now, he's happy simply to spread the word about the wonders of P.E. "I became less and less embarrassed and more and more proud as time went on," he says. "I'm still uncomfortable about showing you my penis, but talking about it is easier."

His remarks underscore one of the real reasons I came to visit: verification. After all, pictures can always be doctored; proving your story is increasingly difficult in an age of Photoshop-spawned trompe l'oeil suspicion. Mike was OK with the arrangement, if a little nervous. When he opened the door to greet me, he had said, "Sorry if I'm a little woozy. I took a Viagra before you came so you can get a good measurement."

Three hours later, there's nothing left to talk about. "Moment of truth," he says now with a grin. "Let me just get ready." He walks into the bathroom with Jen. Waiting in the adjacent kitchen, I try not to listen to their soft rustlings. "How do they do this in porno movies?" Mike calls out.

A moment passes. He calls me in. He's not satisfied with the partial erection he's managed to raise. He grabs a handful of Vaseline, Jen faces the wall and drops her thong, and I exit with haste. Another moment passes. And another.

"OK -- hurry!"

He is sitting on the toilet, shirt off, shorts around his ankles, red-faced. His right hand holds a ruler and his left ... well, his left hand seems to be choking some otherworldly tentacle. The thing's the size of a paper towel roll, but looks perfectly healthy.

"Check the ruler," he says in a faintly strangled tone. Leaning forward gingerly, I confirm that his bone-pressed penis is indeed 10 and a half inches.

As the blood drains back to the rest of his body, Mike twists his penis over and points to the stretch mark. And, sure enough, it is there, and it is nearly 5 inches long, pink and angry, a symbol of everything a man can aspire to.

About the writer
Peter Rubin is a writer living in New York.

Saturday, April 02, 2005

Method to our Madness:

Method to our Madness:

I think allot of guys read information on these boards and go off blind into the bathroom going through the motions with no real rhyme or reason. Understanding penis enlargement, it's particular exercises and what they are doing is very important especially for those people who want to target a particular type of growth.

With the vast amount of information on the internet it is not unlikely that your head is spinning. I know when I first got involved with PE on a "internet" basis I started second guessing all of my own ideas and I was not sure about any of the exercises I was doing. I saw things like Uli's, Hanging, ELBP, Ligaments and a multitude of other words, phrases and exercises I had no knowledge of. I felt discouraged and confused and scared to ask for help. I did not want to come off as inexperienced so much of my first few months were spent in the dark. I continued my routine and continued making gains but I was constantly haunted by my lack of knowledge. After some time in PE I became more knowledgeable and the things I was doing, the gains I was making, started to make sense to me. Further along my increased knowledge allowed me to develop new exercise and theory that helped me get to my current size. It was when I was able to be humble, ask for help and learned to listen that I was able to make academic strides in PE.

I know we have a list of PE terms, words and phrases that give a good definition of it's meaning but I think we need something more definitive. Something that will define the word but also give a scientific description of it's purpose and mechanics. Something that describes exactly what is going on in the body and what particular structures it is effecting. There is a definite hole in PE information and I think this would be a huge venture towards making PE more comprehensive for everyone.

As you know I am currently working on our Penis Enlargement Archive Library, a project that will allow users to search and find comprehensive information that applies to their direct request. This type of library will become very valuable to the WWW as PE continues to gain in popularity and acceptance. The next logical step is to create a clear, concise, definitive glossary that will inform everyone to the meanings, reasons and methods of our vast pool of knowledge.

Again, I am asking for help with this project. I will launch an additional forum for posting this information with particular format requests to help expedite my job. I am hoping to get this up and running today. I will make a few threads giving examples of how each addition should be posted.

Again, thank you in advance to those who participate.


Expressive Stretching

[QUOTE=doublelongdaddy][b]DLD's Expressive Stretches[/b]
Idea's have been going through my mind over the past few days mostly related to the [URL=]THIS THREAD[/URL] where an excellent discussion on ligament stretching is in progress. I also saw a relationship between that discussion and a post that I made in the porno section of Mandingo. The user Prince Albert stated something to the effect of "You can see were his shaft has a bulge then gets thicker near the base,do you think that is how much he has gained from pe." [URL=]Refer to This Thread[/URL]. I included a close up of the picture Prince Albert was referring to.

Just like many of you, Mandingo's size has always caused me to wonder if he PE's, but there is something even more remarkable than his size, something unique about his penis shape that got me interested in pursuing this type of stretching exercises. The combination of the ligament thread and the Mandingo pictures inspired me to create this stretching position and the exercises that surround it.

Starting with this quote by Bib:

[i][b][color=blue]In most guys, there are actually three portions of shaft that make up the entire erection:

The bulbs of the root to the bottom of the pubic bone.

The bottom of the pubic bone up the face of the pubic bone then exiting the skin.

The exit point to the tip.

All of these areas may express gains through PE. Stretching the ligs to express gains through PE come in the middle part, from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point. As the ligs are stretched, pulling the shaft down and out, this portion is expressed as new outer penis.

The only guys who cannot realize gains from this portion are those whose exit point is already close to the bottom of the pubic bone, a very low LOT.

With any guy, gains can be made by stretching the tunica in all three areas, as long as the proper stretching angles are used. If a guy has high tight ligs, some lig stretching at the lower angles may have to occur in order for the stress of stretching at the higher angles to reach the inner penis.

When some of the portion behind the pubic bone is stretched/grown, then more lig stretch may express more of that portion as outer penis. See-saw effect.[/i][/b][/color]

Having a general understanding of Bib's quote will allow you to look at the picture this Mandingo in a different light.


Typically the visible penis, when erect, is the portion Bib explains as the exit point to the tip. All other internal structures remain just that, internal. Just like me, I am sure you have pushed your fat pad back to expose some internal penis...for some of us this is good for another 2 inches of exposed penis after pushing the fat pad back. Mandingo is much different though, it is almost like he has the opposite of a fat pad but after studying his penis and the information that was posted in the ligament thread I speculate that it is much deeper than that. It seems that he has successfully extended his penis to permanently expose much of the internal penis. But how? Current penis enlargement, length exercise primarily focuses on lig and tunica lengthening. I understand this does affect the internal structures and to some extent "express" some of that internal penis but looking at Mandingo's penis there is something else going on. Notice the exit point of his penis, notice the placement of his scrotum, notice where his actual shaft starts to straighten seems that a huge portion of his internal structures are now expressed whether it was through PE or natural selection there is no ignoring this. I have highlighted areas of his penis that appear to be expressed beyond the "normal" external penis.

I have also redrawn the Grey's Penile Anatomy Picture to show the penis in it's erect state. I am hoping this will help put many of these parts together. This is a comment Bib made on Modesto's Model:

[i][b][color=blue]The greatest problem with his model is that he only considers two straight lines for the inner penis and outer penis. For purposes of LOT, there are actually three portions, two straight, and one curved.[/i][/b][/color]
(Read Modesto's Model at Bottom of this thread)


This gives us a further clue to Mandingo's penis, another step towards understanding his size and shape.

As many of you know I am much better at creating exercise than discussing theory, I am sure there will be allot of that so let me get to the exercise and my experience with it so far.

These group of exercises are done using the [URL=]POWER ASSIST[/URL] , I developed them using the above information. I only illustrate one as I need to shoot video and draw the additional exercises but I can tell you that this type of stretching is like NOTHING you have tried before. They can be done seated or standing. First I bring my flaccid penis and scrotum through the Power Assist Hole (take you time as it will take some practice.) Once through the hole you can start a variety of stretches. Grabbing the entire scrotum and penis I stretch downward while I press the Power Assist against my body and upward. My goal with the Power Assist it to expose as much of the internal penis as possible while the other hand stretches what I successfully expose. Since the scrotum is through the Power Assist it allow me to express and train the bulb of the penis, the ligaments, Crus and other "virgin" internal penis. The possibilities or should I say potential of this type of stretching is incredible as it allows us to train areas of the penis we have never trained before, at least directly. The stretches can vary, as you will see, to include two handed stretches, upward, downward, left, right among many others. One I got into the correct position I felt like I just started PE, it felt incredible. The soreness I get (good soreness) exceeds the soreness I felt as a newbie. Even hours after my workout I feel extreme fatigue and definite sign of growth potential.


[size=4][b]If we are able to expose this part of the internal penis then we can stretch it, plain and simple.[/b][/size]

I will rush to get new video's shot on the variety of applications for this stretching position. I hope my thread explains what is in my mind. Please ask any question or comments. I have not been this excited about penis enlargement since DLD Blasters and Squash Jelqs.

[size=1][b]MODESO's MODEL[/b]

The purpose of this thread is to test LOT Theory using the LOT Simulator.

I have always been confused by LOT theory. Gradually. I came to accept it as plausible, and I even counseled others to hang in accordance with predictions grounded in that theory.

Nevertheless, there has always been doubt. I couldn't quite put my finger on the problem. So, when knowledgeable guys like WestLA90069 started challenging the theory in this thread, I decided to dig in and see whether I could learn something.

The result of my effort was the LOT Simulator. This program was designed to explore the physical mechanisms involved in LOT. I hoped that, by modeling the penis in relation to the structures to which it is attached, I could learn what really caused LOT. This would certainly shed some light on the validity of LOT Theory.


Before testing LOT Theory with the simulator, it is necessary first to acknowledge that the simulator is limited. Here is a list of the known limitations of the model. No doubt there are others.
1. Three-dimensional structures of the body are represented as one-dimensional lines.
2. The ligaments are represented as a single line, whereas in fact they consist of many different fibers.
3. The attachment point of the ligaments to the pubic symphysis is represented as a single point, whereas in reality it is a region covering a finite area.
4. The attachment point of the ligaments to the shaft is represented as a single point, whereas in reality it is a region covering a finite area and extending over a finite length.
5. The value of LOT displayed at the top of the graphic is the true zero tugback value. Most people would say that they lose tugback at some small number bigger than zero. Thus, the values of LOT reported are probably slightly lower than those most people would normally report.
At present, I believe that these limitations are not fatal to the model, i.e., they are not so serious as to render the model useless as an investigational tool. Others may disagree. Over time the deficiencies in the model can be corrected. For now, I'll go ahead and draw what conclusions I think are fair. The program is open source, so anyone can take a stab at improving it. When the model is improved, the results reported below can be updated.


LOT Theory is actually a collection of four different assertions, which I've drawn from Bib's original post and included below. Each assertion is tested against the simulation.

ASSERTION 1: The shorter, tighter or higher the ligs, the higher the angle required to lose ‘tugback’ when stretching the penis and kegaling at the same time.

SIMULATION SUGGESTS: Not necessarily true. In particular, it appears that ASSERTION 1 is always true when the length of IP (the inner penis) is greater than the distance between the IR (ischiopubic ramus) and the attachment point on the PS (pubic symphysis). However, ASSERTION 1 is always false when the length of IP is less than the distance between IR and PS.

You can try this for yourself. With Lig attachment set to "High," set the IP length to 105mm. Then, set the lig length to 10, 15, and 20mm. You should see LOT decrease as lig length increases. Now try setting IP to 95mm, and run through the same sequence of lig lengths. Here, you should see LOT actually INCREASING as lig length INCREASES. This is the opposite of ASSERTION 1.

It also appears that LOT does not significantly change with height of the lig attachment to the PS. You can see this by running through the different choices (Low, Middle, and High). It should be noted that, as the attachment point along the PS changes, IP length also changes to retain proper proportions. If IP length were kept fixed for different lig attachment points, larger changes in LOT would be observed. You can experiment with this, as well.

ASSERTION 2. The shorter, tighter, or higher the ligs, the more ‘inner’ penis, and the more quick, easy gains which are possible, and possibly the more total gains which are possible as the ligs are lengthened. The longer, looser, or lower the ligs, the less ‘inner’ penis, and the harder the gains and possibly less total gains which are possible.

SIMULATION SUGGESTS: Partly true, partly false. It is clear at face value that the length or tightness of the ligaments (as represented in the model) is not relevant to the amount of inner penis. It is rather the attachment point of the ligaments to the shaft which is relevant. This is by definition. The attachment point along the shaft defines which part of the shaft is inner penis and which part is outer penis.

However, the height of the attachment point of the ligaments to the PS does appear to be relevant. This is simply because higher ligs generally coincide with more distal attachment points along the shaft. Again, you can experiment with lig attachment height. Watch what happens to the inner penis and outer penis as you vary this setting between Low, Middle, and High. Set it to Low, and see that the outer penis grows. Set it to high, and see that it shrinks.

It seems reasonable that people with shafts attached high on the PS have more growth potential than those with shafts attached low. By "peeling back" the ligaments along the PS, more shaft can be expressed outside the body, i.e., more IP becomes OP (outer penis).

Whether more highly attached ligaments predict more total gains over time depends on the relative ease of stretching ligs versus tunica. Conventional wisdom is that the ligs are easier to stretch, so this is probably true.

ASSERTION 3: The longer time spent PEing, the lower the angle at which tugback is lost due to a lengthening of the ligs. This assumes PE is performed at lower angles, at least somewhat, by all subjects. The less time spent PEing, the higher the angle at which tugback is lost because ligs have not been stretched.

SIMULATION SUGGESTS: Inconclusive. The simulation provides a static snapshot. It does not show how changes occur over time (except to the extent they can be represented as successions of static snapshots).

ASSERTION 4: For those with shorter, tighter, or higher ligs, a lengthening of the ligs correlates with a lowering of angle of tugback loss, and an increase in penis length.

SIMULATION SUGGESTS: Inconclusive, for the same reasons as above. The second part of this assertion is partially confirmed, however. If your shaft is attached high on your PS, stretching your ligs to lower this attachment point will reveal more inner penis, and thus will cause your (outer) penis to get longer.

I recently exchanged some emails with Bib, in which we discussed exactly how the ligs stretch. As Bib described, stretching the ligs for most people really consists of "peeling" them back along the PS. The lig bundles closer to the top of the PS stretch, causing those lower down to bear the load from any applied stretching force. All the while, the shaft stays closely adhered to some part of the pubic bone. It is probably unusual for the shaft to pull away entirely from the pubic bone. Bearing this in mind, "stretching the ligs" really means peeling them back. "Long ligs" really means lower attachment points. Lig bundles, once stretched, just kind of hang there and cease to be functional parts of the arrangement. However, the lower ones generally stay nice and tight.

The model represents the ligs as a single line. It is important to realize that this line corresponds to the specific bundles which bear the stress when hanging down. The model does not show other bundles, which have already been stretched and are just "hanging around."

Bib found a negative correlation between LOT and time spent PE'ing at low angles. His data were based on a small sample of experienced hangers. I would like to see more data on this before judging whether this is an actual phenomenon. Some people maintain a high LOT even after many years of PE. Looking at the simulation, I can't immediately see why LOT would change significantly as ligs are stretched or their attachment point to the PS is lowered. Perhaps something else is going on with long-term hangers, which isn't immediately obvious.

Many newbies, who have never stretched their ligs, are reporting some very low LOTs these days. I believe it is unlikely that these guys already have long ligs. More likely, they're either measuring wrong or their ligs attach to their shaft more proximally (closer inside the body) than guys with higher LOTs. If this is the case, I would think that initial LOT has little or nothing to do with potential gains.

The parameter that seems to affect LOT the most is IP length. Small changes in IP length cause large changes in LOT. This suggests that LOT is primarily a function of where along the shaft the ligaments attach. If they attach further out, your LOT will be higher; if they attach closer in, it will be lower.


The simulator confirms certain aspects of LOT Theory at the same time that it casts doubt on others.

The simulation confirms that people whose shafts are attached high on their pubic bones have "lig potential." These people can possibly gain relatively quickly by stretching downwardly.

At the same time, the simulator cast doubt on whether LOT has anything to do with lig length, or even with lig attachment point along the pubic symphysis.

Therefore, the simulator casts doubt on whether one's LOT can be used as an indicator of lig potential. Having a low LOT does not necessarily mean one has low lig potential. Having a high LOT does not necessarily mean one has high lig potential. The two things appear to have nothing to do with each other.

It is still possible that LOT Theory is correct. However, I certainly don't believe that all of its assertions are intuitively obvious. Except where noted, LOT Theory no longer immediately strikes me as valid. If the theory is correct, it is because something subtle is going on that the model does not take into account.[/size][/QUOTE]