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    Dick (Clit) Growth

    Ok, so i have a bit of a diff. angle on this, but i'm hope you guys are open-minded and cool with helping me out like any other guy.

    I'm a 28 year old female-to-male (FTM) transguy. I've been on delestryl testosterone enanthate intramuscular injections for 3 months now. I started at 25mg a week and have gradually been building up to where I am now, 40mg a week. Soon I'll go to 50-100mg. I'm doing this under a doctor's supervision who is qualified in this area.

    As all transguys experience, my dick (clit, ok, but i don't like calling it that) has/is growing. But, i want to make sure it grows the MOST it possibly can in the time I have.

    The research I've done so far tells me that the dick grows the most in the first year of T use. Anything after that is pretty small and gradual. In reading about 2 diff. guy's experience getting phalloplasty surgery (where a full sized penis is created through plastic surgery), I've noticed that in both cases the plastic surgeons told the guys to use andractim cream on their dicks to maximize growth before the surgery.

    I've read a little about Andractim and there seems to be a lot of negative opinions on it's effectiveness which makes me think that there are better options. However, what my doctor can't tell me is if using a topical cream just on my unit would give me messed up effects in other areas of my body? Or would it increase my T levels significantly?

    I've tried getting in touch with the plastic surgeons, but it's very hard getting a response out of them and if i do, it's only a couple words and no concrete information. Transguys are basically still guinea pigs at this point in science.

    I want to maximize the growth i can get this year while not being reckless with my health. I'm not sure what size i was before T, but i was for sure on the larger end of the normal size spectrum. Now i'm just shy of 2 inches and I've gained a lot of girth. It grew a lot in the first month and now the growth is more gradual.

    I hope to treated fairly here. I don't mind answering honest, well-thought out questions...hopefully they'll be on topic. No disrespect please.

    thanks.

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    Re: Dick (Clit) Growth

    First off: welcome aboard,
    second: it took a lotta balls to come out with that, congrats.

    I'm not quite sure what yer askin'...
    You are pre-op?
    And you'd like to know how you can maximize your (clit) growth so that your subsequent surgery will be all the more effective?
    To be honest, that's about the most original subject I've ever read on here, but if it's growth you're after; this is the place.

    Expound a little on your situation, if ya don't mind, and we'll see what we can do to help.

    Good luck!

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    Re: Dick (Clit) Growth

    I believe that Adractim would be of benefit to you... DHT is a much more androgenic hormone than testosterone and is the hormone that has more influence on male characteristics. Taking it topically can raise DHT levels in the body but in your case i don't think that is much of a concern, in fact it would be a good thing. Just keep an eye out for male pattern baldness and although the small amounts of DHT that you apply will most likely not cause this... it can be a concern if the men from your mother's side suffers from this.

    The best thing you can do is try it out and have your doc do regular blood work to make sure that all is well.

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    Re: Dick (Clit) Growth

    Welcome to the forum melrox66. Good luck with your gains I am sure the likes of sikdogg and goldmember can provide you with some good info. I am interested in this thread because my wife has a friend who is considering female to male gender reassignment so i hope you find the answers you are looking for and may be I can pass them on.
    Good luck once again and maybe we can all learn something from your experience.
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    Re: Dick (Clit) Growth

    good idea i think :

    get a kaplan penis pump with gauge and a small custom made cylinder for your clit/dick
    and work it Baby !!!!

    seriously, given the actual size of your clit/dick it would be super easy to work out, and it would definetly help you alot to maximise your gains.

    Of course you could do hanging and stretching and jelquing and so on, but sensible pumping is the safest method...u could use andractim and then pump it, so the andractim stays in the tissues at super high concentration for long time , rather than getting absorbed into the blood stream quickly...

    good luck !
    8 x 6 workin fine with V and without
    Started @ 6.3" x 5.2"

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    Hello, and welcome to the group.

    Rubbing Andractim on your clitoris is indeed a very good way to get growth. This is the standard treatment for young boys with a micropenis condition. It is usually done twice a day, rubbed in throughly

    The potential side effects include one that you will want anyway, and that is body fat distribution. As your testosterone levels increase, and you begin an exercise program, your buttocks and breasts will shrink. The fat reserve that is typical for females will begin to disappear. In males, Andractim is used to treat gynecomastia (unwanted breast development). Gynecomastia is caused by an excess of estrogens coupled with a decrease in testosterone. Also your muscles will grow, and your beard will begin to grow. Libido will be significantly enhanced

    As you do not have a prostate, there will be no effect there, but yes, your hair may well be affected. Taking Saw Palmetto or the prescription alternatives may help in that regard.

    Andractim has the benefit of not metabolizing into an estrogen, which would be counterproductive for you.

    Pumping, especially with your clit/penis full of blood would seem to be potentially quite productive. Cylinder sizing will be more of a challenge, but there are a number of different cylinders available on the market and I think that at 2" now, cylinder length would not be an issue yet. The pumpers forum here should be helpful to you in that regard.

    The use of DHEA is a bit of a question mark to me at the moment. Males normally have a blood level of around 500, with females having around 250. It would seem to be advantageous to take 25 to 50 mg a day of DHEA----EXCEPT for the fact that it WILL metabolize into the estrogens. So, while I think that taking DHEA would he helpful, you would also need to take an estrogen blocker to keep your estrogen levels as low as possible.

    Going back to Andractim, that should also be helpful in supressing FSH and LH, both of which have different roles in males as opposed to females, but I have not done much work on that particular use of Andractim. I don't know of Andractim will be enough to stop your menstruation or not, but certainly if you are menstruating now, getting it stopped would be helpful. Unfortuneately, while it is easy to stop menstruation in females, it is done so by using progesterone or an estrogen. Neither of those would be helpful to you. So, I guess it is the Andractim or nothing on that point.

    Best of luck to you.

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    Avena Sativa from an article I read on Elite Fitness.com is supposed to put the testosterone that is in your body, into a more useable form. You may want to check out their web-site also as they do have really great and helpful info for anyone using steriods.

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    My Basic System: Warm Up then..
    Hard Core Stretching Day one with Hanging, followed by ADS for two days while healing. Remember just like working out, you are growing when your resting, not when your working out. Tear down, then grow, tear down again then allow time to grow. When I was doing it hard core daily gained nothing but a sore penis. Only starting growing when adopting this philosophy.

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    Would you suggest using DMSO with Andractim? I read somewhere that only 10% absorbs when applied topically.

    Interesting and good info I am learning here. Just discovered Andractim will also help with deminishing my newly developed Man Boobs.

    Gettring old sucks!


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    Quote Originally Posted by hangs2theright View Post
    Would you suggest using DMSO with Andractim? I read somewhere that only 10% absorbs when applied topically.

    Interesting and good info I am learning here. Just discovered Andractim will also help with deminishing my newly developed Man Boobs.

    Gettring old sucks!

    I am not sure if your question was directed to me or not, but I will give it a stab.

    I would not mix Andractim with DMSO. Andractim has an alcohol based carrier, and if you put that on first, the DMSO will carry the carrier as well as the DHT into your penis. I don't know if that will do much harm or not, but it doesn't sound that good to me.

    I would tend to disagree with the person that said that only 10% of Andractim gets into the body. My experience is that it is an effective product.

    As to your man boobs, you only get those by having an estrogen/testosterone problem. Getting that solved will be an important part of Penis Enlargement. To give you an example, men with prostate cancer that undergo suppression of testosterone will usually loose half of their penis length. Not what you are looking for on this board.

    With gynecomastia, your estrogen levels are much higher, relatively speaking, than your testosterone. Your body has received the message that you are now female and is making the changes, starting with your breasts. As you continue with a worsening of the estrogen/testosterone ratio, you will begin to retain water, must like a woman before her period.

    Getting rid of the boobs, and getting a healthy libido back can start with using DHT, but you should consider getting blood tests of:
    Estradiol (the most biologically active of the estrogen's)
    Progesterone,
    Total Testosterone
    Free Testosterone,
    DHEAS
    FHS
    LH
    Total T-3
    Free T-3
    Total T-4
    Free T-4
    TSH
    Albumin,
    SHBG

    Sadly, it seems that not a lot of physicians understand what those tests mean, and if you end up between the high and the low of the lab reference rates, they will tell you that you are normal. Well, you will not be as long as you have active gynecomastia. So, seeing a physcian that knows what he is looking at is quite important, and most of the time, challenging to find.

    In addition, having relatively low testosterone levels can affect your heart, skin libido and attitude. I know that when I got my testosterone levels fixed, I felt like a new man. You will too.

    Best of luck,

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    Re: Dick (Clit) Growth

    I know this thread is old/dead but I was wondering if Melrox had success with her/his goals.

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    Re: Dick (Clit) Growth

    Raising DHT isn't necessarily a good thing. It can be dangerous.

    Just up your Testosterone dosage to see more clit growth. Try something like 300mg/week for 8 weeks (shot every 3.5 days if you are using Enanthate because of the half life, and longer estered compound), and then ramping down to your 100mg/week or whatever the Doc has you on. Test is easy enough to come by.

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    Re: Dick (Clit) Growth

    Damnit I replied to an ancient thread. MFers!

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    I think this is a very interesting thread, its too bad the o.p never returned. I have heard about trans men obtaining the surgery and successfully elongating it to 7"....there are more horror stories than success stories and it is also dreadfully expensive. I haven't ever heard of someone using T to grow their clit/penis ever I could not give any light on the matter. I have heard recently that in other countries (I was told every country except America) the government pays for trans women surgeries, it doesn't cost the patient a dime. So maybe it works the same for trans men and if you were to get into another country as a resident it could possibly be cheaper to try doing that. I have heard it costs up to $40,000 but I just Googled and it seems the price is between $5,000-$20,000, not including the cost of prosthetic testicles, for Phalloplasty, probably more expensive for the most accurate and safe work. I haven't had much experience involved with FtoM as MtoF but I would suggest finding some local support groups if they are available and if not finding out where the nearest locations are and communicating with them and maybe planning a trip, they could give you all the information you need in taking the next biggest steps in your transition. The fact is that you have never returned to post so it is possible you have changed your mind on the subject as many many transgender people go through unfortunately, being who you are when just about 100% of society wants to deny you personal freedom of anything besides heterosexuality male/female- or abnormal, it becomes a complicated situation confusing your original feelings with doubt you never had and shame in the place of acceptance.

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    Actually I had originally heard correct the phalloplasty I Googled was penis enlargement surgery for men- not a necessary treatment for gender males and cheaper than SRS. The FtoM surgery is a 4 step process costing about $17,000 total for the first 2 steps and $10,000 total for the next two and that was just one website so originally what I learned was not so far from incorrect costing probably close to $40,000 after all is said and done. Cheaper to probably become a resident of a country where they see being trans as condition people should be allowed to fix and not oppress them with corrupt laws like America where ridiculous steps are kept in place of changing your gender identification and housed in separate prisons as men, etc. I had previously written some information about some of the unjust of trans people after this topic but I cut it because it makes me so sick that it happens to people and it does not belong to read on this beautiful website. It was about rape and forced surgery of gay men so let that just be it in a nutshell of what governments allow and force on people who simply think differently.

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